Professor Wilks,
So... I am to understand that an appeal for civility in academic
discourse - especially in the context of intensely felt disagreements
- is a "slimy, back-handed ad hominem reprimand"? Clearly the "ad
hominem" isn't of my design. I rest my case, and withdraw from this
unseemly interaction.
Bob Parks
At 5:55 PM +0000 11/20/04, Yorick WIlks wrote:
>Sorry, we disagree----in my value system slimy, back-handed ad
>hominem reprimands like this last, copied to the whole list and
>making no intellectual point at all, are infinitely more damaging to
>lists and communication than anything i wrote. I was just trying to
>correct ignorance after many years of seeing MT unfairly slagged
>off: this email has no defensible point at all.
>YW
>
>
>On Saturday, November 20, 2004, at 04:43 PM, Bob Parks wrote:
>
>>Professor Wilks,
>>Couldn't an eminent computational linguist of your stature afford
>>to forego this sort of response? Wouldn't it be sufficient to
>>disagree?
>>Bob Parks
>>
>>At 3:57 PM +0000 11/20/04, Yorick WIlks wrote:
>>>This reply from Russia is total nonsense, unless "good" means
>>>something utterly impractical. There are many evaluated MT systems
>>>that do a reasonable job (i.e. giving a good indication of what a
>>>document says) and some are available free on search sites as well
>>>all know. The world's oldest and strongest system SYSTRAN
>>>sometimes does a very good job. recommending a 20 word MT system
>>>shows utter ignorance of the last forty years.
>>>Yorick Wilks
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday, November 19, 2004, at 12:18 PM, Sergey Protasov wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Eric,
>>>>
>>>>There are no good MT systems today at all.
>>>>So there are no good opensource MT systems today.
>>>>
>>>>ThoughtTreasure is very big system for teaching and it have bad
>>>>syntax parser. (It fails, if senstence have more that 7-10 words)
>>>>
>>>>I recommend you to see link grammar translator for teaching.
>>>>http://www.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/submit-to-translator.html
>>>>It show very good translations, but It have 20 words in vocab only..
>>>>
>>>>You can add more words... But it is not trivial...
>>>>
>>>>If you intresting in statistical mashine translation, forget I
>>>>said before and go to here
>>>>
>>>>http://www.isi.edu/licensed-sw/rewrite-decoder/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It simple, but you will do not know how it works..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Sergey Protasov
>>>>PhD student in Computational Linguistics,
>>>>Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Eric Atwell wrote:
>>>>>Sergey,
>>>>>do you have any evaluation report or other evidence of how good
>>>>>this OpenSource MT system is? Bogdan Babych, researcher here at
>>>>>Leeds,
>>>>>is thinking of developing a demo MT system for research and teaching,
>>>>>but it may be worth considering adapting an existing oepn-source system
>>>>>regards
>>>>>Eric Atwell
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