RE: Corpora: Chomsky/Harris - one more fun question.

From: Mills, Carl (MILLSCR) (MILLSCR@UCMAIL.UC.EDU)
Date: Thu Apr 05 2001 - 18:51:09 MET DST

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    Near the end of Mike Maxwell's interesting and well thought out post, he
    says

    > that there are degrees of
    > empiricism, and that the data that generative linguists typically use is
    > not
    > non-empirical just because they think of it, rather than finding it in
    > some
    > half-baked email msg from someone about whom you know nothing, and who may
    > not even be a native speaker of the language they're writing in. Another
    > attack would be to say that one should use a variety of data, and that a
    > sentence I (as a generative linguist) think of may be more relevant
    > because
    > I can tailor it to my needs. (We don't fault chemists because they mix up
    > their own chemicals, rather than studying only reactions that occur in the
    > enviroment around them.)
    >
    Having spent a quarter-century as a quantitative linguist, working in
    sociolinguistics, dialectology, and stylistics, and being rather new to
    corpus linguistics, I have watched this thread with interest. First, I do
    not think that MIT (and theoretical linguists in general) are the enemy.
    They do, however, inhabit a parallel universe that only lightly touches that
    inhabited by those of us interested in language use. Second, MIT linguists
    use words like "empirical" and "data" in ways that are strange to those of
    us who study language use--stranger still to those of us who come from other
    scientific disciplines (chemistry and electronics technolgy, here). So here
    is a problem with the passage by Mike that I quoted above. It is not the
    sentences that generative linguists cite as "data" that bother me. I have
    conducted some fairly good (I think) work in experimental linguistics using
    made-up sentences. But the virtual "data" that generative linguists use to
    "test" their theories and resolve "empirical" questions turn out to be the
    linguist's own intuitions about the grammaticality of their made-up
    sentences. I have spent 25 years marvelling at generative linguists'
    grammaticality judgments and at their refusal to change them in the face of
    native-speaker denials. If probabilistic linguistics and MIT linguists need
    to come together it is in the area of grammaticality/acceptability
    judgments.

    Carl Mills



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